1 00:00:04,470 --> 00:00:02,869 my name is tim lee this is my wife bobby 2 00:00:07,590 --> 00:00:04,480 and my son hal 3 00:00:10,709 --> 00:00:07,600 back in march 13th of 1997 4 00:00:12,230 --> 00:00:10,719 we were witnesses uh to seeing a ufo and 5 00:00:14,470 --> 00:00:12,240 actual craft 6 00:00:16,870 --> 00:00:14,480 fly directly over a house 7 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:16,880 just to give you a little uh background 8 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:19,199 is how we got to see it hal and i had 9 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:21,119 been uh coming back from visiting some 10 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:22,560 friends and normally we tried to eat 11 00:00:26,630 --> 00:00:24,560 dinner by eight o'clock we were running 12 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:26,640 a little late pulled into the driveway 13 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:28,640 which we were heading west 14 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:30,720 hal was sitting in the front and as i 15 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:32,320 came around to the side of the door he 16 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:34,160 looked out the side window 17 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:36,239 and he saw up in the direction of 18 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:37,920 prescott 19 00:00:40,630 --> 00:00:38,960 five 20 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:40,640 distinct lights 21 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:42,719 that it actually looked like they were 22 00:00:46,950 --> 00:00:45,280 on top of a balloon as we were looking 23 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:46,960 at them i said what is that is that a 24 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:48,480 balloon with lights on it why would they 25 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:50,320 have lights on a balloon like that and 26 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:52,000 you know the lights were so clear and 27 00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:54,320 distinct and they're very close together 28 00:00:58,150 --> 00:00:56,480 but as we watched them then we could see 29 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:58,160 that whatever this was was coming 30 00:01:01,270 --> 00:00:59,840 towards us because the lights the 31 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:01,280 distance between the lights started 32 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:03,280 getting greater and greater at that 33 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:04,879 point he ran in the house and got my 34 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:06,479 wife bobby to come out and take a look 35 00:01:10,230 --> 00:01:08,320 and see what was going on 36 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:10,240 so when bobby came out we're standing 37 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,080 there watching my grandson is older than 38 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:13,920 hell he was also there 39 00:01:18,070 --> 00:01:16,240 and we watched these lights i'd say the 40 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:18,080 time it took from when we first spotted 41 00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:20,000 them until it this thing actually went 42 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:21,200 over a house 43 00:01:25,749 --> 00:01:23,680 was about 10 or 12 minutes 44 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:25,759 and this thing never 45 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:29,040 wavered once it always came directly 46 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:31,200 straight at us as we were standing there 47 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,200 watching it after a few minutes uh maybe 48 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:37,520 six or eight minutes i'm not sure 49 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:39,520 all of a sudden instead of being 50 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:43,280 five lights in a round arc shape 51 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:45,680 the that lead light seemed to come out 52 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:48,479 in front and now it looked like a v 53 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:50,720 formation flying towards us 54 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,560 i remember talking with bobby as we were 55 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:54,479 watching it we're saying what what could 56 00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:56,159 that possibly be 57 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:58,399 and i i said well maybe it's a formation 58 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:00,560 of helicopters and you know then i'm 59 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:02,560 looking at the lights and as they're 60 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:05,520 getting further and further apart uh the 61 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:09,039 relationship between the lights never 62 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:11,520 changed they got further apart but the 63 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:13,360 individual distance between the lights 64 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:14,640 always remained 65 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:16,879 so to speak in the same relationship 66 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:18,879 they were perfectly even they didn't 67 00:02:23,910 --> 00:02:21,040 move up or down and i'm saying wow if 68 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:23,920 this is a formation of aircraft who's 69 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:25,440 ever flying this i don't know how 70 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:28,560 they're staying so tight in formation 71 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:29,360 so 72 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:31,200 as it got closer and closer and the 73 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:33,440 lights were further and further apart i 74 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:35,440 began to think well maybe this is you 75 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:39,040 know some kind of object and that it it 76 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:40,640 had to be pretty big 77 00:02:45,110 --> 00:02:42,480 when it was about 78 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:45,120 just a couple miles away we're watching 79 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:47,519 it all of a sudden 80 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:48,800 i caught 81 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:51,519 the image of what it was i could see 82 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:54,000 its outline it was almost the same exact 83 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:56,080 color at this of the sky but because it 84 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:59,040 was passing over stars the stars were 85 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:01,040 being blocked out and then come back 86 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:03,680 after it passed and it looked like 87 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:06,720 an actual very geometric carpenter 88 00:03:10,229 --> 00:03:07,840 square 89 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:10,239 like an equilateral triangle without the 90 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:11,280 bottom 91 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:13,200 and in each arm 92 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:15,360 were two lights evenly spaced and in the 93 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:16,560 very tip 94 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:18,959 was was one single light and these 95 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:21,360 lights were perfectly round 96 00:03:26,869 --> 00:03:23,840 and perfectly white light the tip of 97 00:03:28,949 --> 00:03:26,879 this thing was like as sharp as attack 98 00:03:32,789 --> 00:03:28,959 and the two tail ends were squared off 99 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:32,799 perfectly as it came closer and closer 100 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:34,799 we realized that it was coming straight 101 00:03:39,430 --> 00:03:37,120 at us it was going to come right over us 102 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:39,440 and for some reason i don't know 103 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:41,280 how it happened but it seemed to have 104 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:43,840 dropped down in altitude 105 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:45,920 and now it was literally coming down the 106 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,799 street 107 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:49,120 and the kids as they saw they started 108 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:51,360 jumping up and down because it was going 109 00:03:54,949 --> 00:03:53,280 very very slow and it looked like hey 110 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:54,959 this thing is going to come over us and 111 00:03:58,149 --> 00:03:55,920 stop 112 00:04:00,630 --> 00:03:58,159 and every jump they took 113 00:04:03,429 --> 00:04:00,640 they were when they landed they were one 114 00:04:05,110 --> 00:04:03,439 jump closer to running in the house and 115 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:05,120 i'm standing there now i walked over in 116 00:04:10,229 --> 00:04:07,040 front of right right on the edge of the 117 00:04:11,110 --> 00:04:10,239 street looking up at this thing go by 118 00:04:13,589 --> 00:04:11,120 and 119 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:13,599 i'm looking at the outer edge of this of 120 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:16,560 this wing and i could see way way down 121 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:18,239 the block 122 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:20,479 six five six hundred feet away i 123 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:22,240 couldn't actually see the tail i saw the 124 00:04:25,909 --> 00:04:23,600 third light 125 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:25,919 and it's going by the outer edge of this 126 00:04:31,189 --> 00:04:28,960 thing was so perfectly straight 127 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:31,199 dark almost the same color as the sky 128 00:04:35,350 --> 00:04:33,600 but you could see the stars and then you 129 00:04:38,469 --> 00:04:35,360 couldn't see the stars and as it's going 130 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:38,479 by it wasn't fluttering at all 131 00:04:42,790 --> 00:04:40,880 it was so smooth it almost looked like a 132 00:04:44,150 --> 00:04:42,800 computerized graphic 133 00:04:46,710 --> 00:04:44,160 the kids out in the middle of the street 134 00:04:48,230 --> 00:04:46,720 said hey look up inside in between the 135 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:48,240 two arms 136 00:04:51,189 --> 00:04:50,000 and looking at the stars inside they 137 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,199 looked like 138 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:53,280 like some kind of distortion not a heat 139 00:04:58,870 --> 00:04:56,400 distortion just did not look as clear as 140 00:05:01,029 --> 00:04:58,880 the stars on the outside he's actually 141 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:01,039 out in the street running after this 142 00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:02,639 thing that's how slow it was going the 143 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:04,479 kids thought it was going about 10 or 15 144 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:06,320 miles an hour 145 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:09,440 and this last light came down and bobby 146 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:10,960 and i were just standing there and it 147 00:05:14,230 --> 00:05:12,960 went right over us and it looked like 148 00:05:15,350 --> 00:05:14,240 this big 149 00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:15,360 circular 150 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:17,919 hole of pure 151 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:19,680 white light it looked like fluores 152 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:22,240 beyond fluorescent almost like little 153 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:24,400 particles of light and the light was 154 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:26,560 stuck up inside it was almost like it 155 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:28,800 was being held inside there was no glass 156 00:05:33,189 --> 00:05:31,199 on it and there was no light that i 157 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:33,199 noticed around us on the ground but it 158 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:35,360 was really really really bright 159 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,160 then 160 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:38,720 the tail end of this thing went by like 161 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:42,000 that and i saw a very absolute sharp 162 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:43,039 edge 163 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:45,440 went by and as this as it did the stars 164 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:48,240 unfolded after it we live up and about 165 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:50,880 probably about 1200 feet above sea level 166 00:05:55,110 --> 00:05:52,560 we're in a little valley 167 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:55,120 above phoenix and surrounded by this 168 00:05:58,950 --> 00:05:57,280 valley are like little mountain peaks 169 00:06:01,029 --> 00:05:58,960 and there's this one 170 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:01,039 two peaks and in the middle of it a 171 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:03,440 little hill this thing went right 172 00:06:07,029 --> 00:06:05,360 through the crack in the mountain it 173 00:06:10,629 --> 00:06:07,039 flew right through there didn't go over 174 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:10,639 the top it just barely fit i it kind of 175 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:13,280 was in such a way now it was 176 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:14,800 it was probably just going straight 177 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:16,960 because now i could see the lights from 178 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:19,440 the backside underneath it went out 179 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:21,840 straight over towards 180 00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:23,600 the airport right to the right side of 181 00:06:29,350 --> 00:06:26,720 peak and then i lost the lights in 182 00:06:31,029 --> 00:06:29,360 the whatever lights were flying around 183 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:31,039 in the atmosphere disturbance or 184 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:32,319 whatever 185 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:34,400 so when i saw this technology i know 186 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:36,880 there's nothing on this planet like that 187 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:39,840 there's no capacity to fly a craft it 188 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:42,160 wasn't even flying how could something 189 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:45,440 fly be lifted by air going that slow not 190 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:46,560 possible 191 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:50,720 not flying it was cruising and with some 192 00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:52,400 kind of ability i don't know is 193 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:54,800 absolutely perfect under control 194 00:06:58,710 --> 00:06:56,000 powerful 195 00:07:00,870 --> 00:06:58,720 smooth quiet and i looked at that and i 196 00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:00,880 said boy i said to my wife i said 197 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:03,280 whoever's got this technology is in 198 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:06,160 cahoots with god how why don't you tell 199 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:08,240 we were freaking out because 200 00:07:12,550 --> 00:07:10,400 we had like in 1996 is when independence 201 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:12,560 day came out and i was 10 years old so 202 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:14,319 when you see independence day and then 203 00:07:17,670 --> 00:07:16,319 you see this like craft like coming over 204 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:17,680 your house 205 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:19,360 you kind of you know get a little scared 206 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,639 because it's like is it going to stop 207 00:07:23,589 --> 00:07:22,000 are we going to be the people underneath 208 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:23,599 going oh no 209 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:25,120 like you got those chills in the back of 210 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:26,479 your neck where you get all goose bumpy 211 00:07:30,390 --> 00:07:28,960 and you your hair stand up on end the 212 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:30,400 point at which we 213 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:33,360 started getting excited was after it had 214 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:35,360 gone about halfway over and basically we 215 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:36,800 got the feeling that it was just gonna 216 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:39,120 keep going which was much of a relief 217 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:40,560 you know that it wasn't gonna stop 218 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:42,000 because if it did i don't know what we 219 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:43,520 do just go uh 220 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:45,280 okay that's when we were like you know 221 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:47,599 oh let's go after it you know so we just 222 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:49,360 literally start running down the street 223 00:07:53,909 --> 00:07:51,039 dad dad come on get in the car let me 224 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:53,919 chase it and he was just like no no 225 00:07:57,749 --> 00:07:55,280 he was just looking you know looking at 226 00:07:59,189 --> 00:07:57,759 him we're like oh and my nephew damien 227 00:08:01,830 --> 00:07:59,199 said that he probably could could have 228 00:08:04,309 --> 00:08:01,840 thrown like a like a tennis ball or a 229 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:04,319 rock up and hit it it was that close at 230 00:08:07,749 --> 00:08:05,599 the time there was this house that was 231 00:08:09,430 --> 00:08:07,759 being constructed up on the hill and 232 00:08:11,749 --> 00:08:09,440 there was a telephone pole and the craft 233 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:11,759 flew like right over the top there was 234 00:08:15,589 --> 00:08:13,599 no sound like even in the neighbor the 235 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:15,599 neighborhood was really quiet the only 236 00:08:18,309 --> 00:08:17,120 sound that there ever was was that there 237 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:18,319 was a small 238 00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:19,759 you know just like a small propeller 239 00:08:24,230 --> 00:08:22,400 plane that flew over the top of it 240 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:24,240 pretty high up it looked like this big 241 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:26,800 in comparison 242 00:08:31,029 --> 00:08:28,560 but uh yeah that was the only sound at 243 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:31,039 any point when hal came to get me in the 244 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,200 house and i was cooking dinner he just 245 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:35,680 told me that there were lights outside 246 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:37,680 and so i went running out the door 247 00:08:41,509 --> 00:08:38,880 looking 248 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:41,519 at the lights over the mountain i saw 249 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:43,120 the lights then you know at that point 250 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:45,200 and i sat with them and watched them 251 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:48,320 just exactly as tim described 252 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:51,200 when it was coming up towards us 253 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:53,360 and it seemed like it was very high and 254 00:08:57,269 --> 00:08:55,760 i could see it just as clear as a bell 255 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:57,279 that it was 256 00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:00,000 shaped what i said at the time was like 257 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:01,920 a carpenter square it looked like a 258 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:04,000 flying carpenter's square all of a 259 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,519 sudden you know we 260 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:06,959 it seemed like i either looked away and 261 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:09,200 i blinked and it was you know right upon 262 00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:12,000 us and then coming right down the street 263 00:09:17,670 --> 00:09:15,040 and as uh as it left and tim and i were 264 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:17,680 looking up into the light wells 265 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:18,720 i mean these 266 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:20,560 these were circular light wells that 267 00:09:24,949 --> 00:09:22,480 were we could not 268 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:24,959 even estimate really how deep they were 269 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:26,720 since we didn't know exactly how far 270 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:27,920 away it was 271 00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:30,240 but the lights looked like they were at 272 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:32,480 least 15 feet 273 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:33,360 you know 274 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:35,680 wide and i don't know how deep because 275 00:09:38,949 --> 00:09:37,440 all we could see was the white light 276 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:38,959 inside the wells 277 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:40,399 and then as it proceeded over the 278 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:43,440 mountain just missing the tops like 279 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:46,000 hal said um 280 00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:48,000 i looked at the lights in front of it 281 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:50,320 you might say because i wanted to see if 282 00:09:55,509 --> 00:09:52,240 i could see the top of it 283 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:55,519 and as it was going through i could see 284 00:10:00,070 --> 00:09:57,440 a slight mound 285 00:10:01,910 --> 00:10:00,080 to the point you know which would have 286 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:01,920 been the front end of it 287 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:04,880 it just seemed like a very thin craft 288 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:06,880 when the right arm was coming over the 289 00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:08,000 house 290 00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:09,680 we were looking at it and i i was 291 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:13,120 looking at the left arm and it just went 292 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:16,079 completely over towards the mountain 293 00:10:19,829 --> 00:10:17,680 that i made a comment then i said oh my 294 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,839 god how big is this thing 295 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:21,839 because it just seemed to cover the 296 00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:24,480 whole entire neighborhood 297 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:26,000 you know what i said as it went over 298 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:28,560 after seeing that little plane i said 299 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:32,480 you could fit 10 stealths on one arm i 300 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:34,560 guesstimated that it was each arm was 301 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:37,440 about 700 feet and if it was an 302 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:39,120 equilateral 303 00:10:43,269 --> 00:10:41,360 triangle in the sense then the distance 304 00:10:46,470 --> 00:10:43,279 between the tails would have been about 305 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:46,480 700 feet when we talk about this people 306 00:10:52,870 --> 00:10:48,959 get picky and they say well you know was 307 00:10:55,670 --> 00:10:52,880 it 200 feet was it 182 feet away 308 00:10:58,870 --> 00:10:55,680 is it 12 feet wide you know except 309 00:11:00,949 --> 00:10:58,880 listen it was freaking huge 310 00:11:02,550 --> 00:11:00,959 it was going really slow it had these 311 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:02,560 big lights in it 312 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:05,200 it it didn't make a sound that's the 313 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:07,440 point it was there we saw it there's no 314 00:11:10,389 --> 00:11:09,600 doubt in our minds whatsoever what we 315 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:10,399 saw 316 00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:12,880 my wife and i work he goes to school 317 00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:15,360 that's our lives we're normal folks 318 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:17,200 we're nothing special 319 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:19,760 um well you know when it first happened 320 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:22,320 i think we were so awestruck 321 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:27,269 we didn't forget 322 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:29,440 but we didn't know what to do 323 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:31,120 you know it was like 324 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:32,880 you know i had already by then i came 325 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:35,040 back in we all came back in and we were 326 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:36,640 talking about it then we all kind of got 327 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:38,000 silent 328 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:39,839 and we were all sitting at the table and 329 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:41,120 this was 330 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:43,760 you know hal tim and damian our grandson 331 00:11:48,389 --> 00:11:45,760 who was then 14 332 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:48,399 and myself and we 333 00:11:51,190 --> 00:11:49,760 we didn't know what to even say to one 334 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:51,200 another you know we were just kind of 335 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:52,720 like sitting there 336 00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:55,360 and then we said what do we do you know 337 00:11:59,750 --> 00:11:57,360 i mean who do we call you know we didn't 338 00:12:00,870 --> 00:11:59,760 know what to do and so we didn't call 339 00:12:01,829 --> 00:12:00,880 anybody 340 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:01,839 because 341 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:03,440 well you have that stigma you know it's 342 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:04,880 like 343 00:12:09,509 --> 00:12:07,760 you trust you know your family and you 344 00:12:10,949 --> 00:12:09,519 know if we say we saw something you know 345 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:10,959 then we did 346 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:12,160 and 347 00:12:14,629 --> 00:12:13,600 you know they're they'll support us 348 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,639 either way 349 00:12:18,069 --> 00:12:16,800 there was this kid that lived just a few 350 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:18,079 blocks from me 351 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:19,040 and 352 00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:21,440 my stepson knew him he brought the kid 353 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:23,680 over to my house and the kid did these 354 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:25,839 drawings and it was exactly what we saw 355 00:12:29,030 --> 00:12:28,000 so i ended up going over this kid's 356 00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:29,040 house 357 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:30,880 and meeting his father and both of them 358 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:33,440 described what we saw but they saw it 359 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:36,000 from like a couple blocks below i 360 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:37,440 personally and i know they feel the same 361 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:40,160 way it doesn't matter to me 362 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:42,959 whether you believe me or not it doesn't 363 00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:45,200 it only matters to you 364 00:12:48,389 --> 00:12:47,200 because we know what we saw we know what 365 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:48,399 we have 366 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:49,920 you need to see that you need to 367 00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:52,160 understand that that's it that's where 368 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:54,800 our attitude is at so you know 10 years 369 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,399 nothing happening and all of a sudden 370 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:58,880 here we are talking about it fine we'll